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Axeman002 · Jun 06, 2011, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by Norian

I have 1000plat+ in $$$ and ectos and I've been playing for ~5months+

Someone playing for 6+ years could accumulate a ton...

its took you 5 months to save about the price of half a panda...that guy in the screenshot at the start had 4! +1000 armbraces and about 30 stacks of ecto's +many many other high end mini's

so give yourself 15 years and you'll be maybe halfway there :P

Bright Star Shine · Jun 06, 2011, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by Axeman002

its took you 5 months to save about the price of half a panda...that guy in the screenshot at the start had 4! +1000 armbraces and about 30 stacks of ecto's +many many other high end mini's

so give yourself 15 years and you'll be maybe halfway there :P

That's not even half a Panda. A Panda is ~360 armbraces ded I seem to recall.. I don't know how many ecto you accumulated, but I'm gonna guess 100, to be convenient. 1000 plat is another ~140e. Let's say you accumulated 250e on the 5 months of play (I gotta admit that's actually pretty pro, but anyway).

360 armbraces at current price is about 7560e. At your rate of 250e/5 months you would have to play for 12,6 years to be able to pay for a dedicated Panda. If you go by my rate of about 250e/month that would still be: 2,52 years.. Now think of how much money this person has. Even if you could do something that would have 8 of your accounts simultaneously run DoASC at 35 minutes/run you would still have to do it for years on end to get the amount of wealth some people have..

Martin Alvito · Jun 06, 2011, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

Even if you could do something that would have 8 of your accounts simultaneously run DoASC at 35 minutes/run you would still have to do it for years on end to get the amount of wealth some people have..

1) DoASC isn't the top wage earner in the history of the game. It isn't even close, especially after you account for inflation. 5-10k per Droks run per passenger in the first six months of the game, or 3-6 ecto per 55 Prot Bond Smite run would translate to an enormous amount of cash today if used to purchase the right things. Even the 100k-250k per hour from dungeon running in 2008-2009 dwarfs the returns on normal mode DoASC.

2) Some people have been playing for years on end.

It boils down to this: anyone that understands how to efficiently convert time into in-game cash is going to end up very wealthy in-game, given a reasonable allotment of time to spend playing the game over a number of years.

If you haven't been playing for years, or you don't focus your efforts on building in-game wealth, you haven't got a leg to stand on when you complain about the wealth that others have built.

Kanyatta · Jun 06, 2011, 11:40 PM // 23:40

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

1) DoASC isn't the top wage earner in the history of the game. It isn't even close, especially after you account for inflation. 5-10k per Droks run per passenger in the first six months of the game,

I forgot about this. I remember people lining up at Beacon's Perch within the first 6 months of the game to pay 5k+ for a run to Droks. And paying 10k for a run wasn't unheard of either (I think I may have paid 10k for my first character to get a run). Take the low estimate of 5k/runner, with 5 people paying. That's 25k/run, and nearly any warrior with Sprint, Charge, and Balanced Stance could do the run in 10-15 minutes. Do that for 3-4 hrs a day for the first 6+ months of the game's existence and you could easily make 100k/hr, and back then, 100k was a lot of money.

Or if you got a Crystalline Sword drop early on in the game, that would get bought up by someone who paid for plat on ebay, who would turn around and sell the sword on ebay, netting a real life profit, and the player with the sword netted a huge in-game profit. Even a single Black Dye went for 50k+ early in the game. Imagine if you got a couple lucky drops early on in the game, and always focused on just trading and accruing wealth, you could have a lot of armbraces right now.

Swingline · Jun 07, 2011, 12:06 AM // 00:06

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

I forgot about this. I remember people lining up at Beacon's Perch within the first 6 months of the game to pay 5k+ for a run to Droks. And paying 10k for a run wasn't unheard of either (I think I may have paid 10k for my first character to get a run). Take the low estimate of 5k/runner, with 5 people paying. That's 25k/run, and nearly any warrior with Sprint, Charge, and Balanced Stance could do the run in 10-15 minutes. Do that for 3-4 hrs a day for the first 6+ months of the game's existence and you could easily make 100k/hr, and back then, 100k was a lot of money.

Or if you got a Crystalline Sword drop early on in the game, that would get bought up by someone who paid for plat on ebay, who would turn around and sell the sword on ebay, netting a real life profit, and the player with the sword netted a huge in-game profit. Even a single Black Dye went for 50k+ early in the game. Imagine if you got a couple lucky drops early on in the game, and always focused on just trading and accruing wealth, you could have a lot of armbraces right now.

Despite the early profiteering days of Guild Wars people today have mostly accumulated wealth through power trading, buying gold, duping(if you didnt get caught) and acquiring high end minis. I remember a time when unded pandas were 500e and if you bought one then left the game for a couple of years you came back to a treasure trove of armbraces. Also I think ppl overlook the fact many people collected q7/8 weapons back then, quit and came back to the game with some worth well over 1000e+ because it actually happened to me.

Bright Star Shine · Jun 07, 2011, 12:10 AM // 00:10

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

1) DoASC isn't the top wage earner in the history of the game. It isn't even close, especially after you account for inflation. 5-10k per Droks run per passenger in the first six months of the game, or 3-6 ecto per 55 Prot Bond Smite run would translate to an enormous amount of cash today if used to purchase the right things. Even the 100k-250k per hour from dungeon running in 2008-2009 dwarfs the returns on normal mode DoASC.

I'm not talking DwG here; I'm talking 35-40min HM clears. 70-100k/run depending on drops. That translates to a lot more than 100k/hour.

But yes, I know that there are and were other efficient ways of making money. DoASC is CURRENTLY the best way, there used to be other ways, but nothing has ever been so profitable to accumulate what some people have. No matter what you say.

Martin Alvito · Jun 07, 2011, 12:58 AM // 00:58

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

I'm not talking DwG here; I'm talking 35-40min HM clears. 70-100k/run depending on drops. That translates to a lot more than 100k/hour.

Not really. You're talking 105-150k based on your numbers if you're able to clear every 40 minutes without ever failing or spending time setting up groups. Granted, I wasn't aware that all of DoA could be cleared in 35-40 minutes in HM at present. I was under the impression that 35-40 was the NM time and that HM was around an hour.

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

DoASC is CURRENTLY the best way, there used to be other ways, but nothing has ever been so profitable to accumulate what some people have. No matter what you say.

Sorry, but you're just wrong. I don't have quite the wealth in the screenshot from earlier (though I'm in the 10,000+ ecto category), but I didn't obsessively focus on building wealth either. I have a lot fewer hours than the truly hardcore, and I spent a large chunk of that time unprofitably playing PvP in the early days.

As I already pointed out, 12 hours a day for a year yielding the returns you're describing in DoASC would yield at least 62,500 ecto at the end of the year. It follows that someone playing a reasonable number hours per week could have that kind of wealth six years after release, and someone obsessive or willing to put in a lot of hours whenever an unusually good money-making method is available could have a lot more, even without having to power trade.

To be clear, I'm not denying the existence of scumbags that have acquired large quantities of wealth by means that many of us would call morally reprehensible. Nor am I denying that some people are wealthy simply because they happened to be holding the right items when the dupe hit, or during the second large wave of high-end item inflation during the Chaos Plains and UWSC period. What I am saying is that it's also possible to acquire huge wealth in Guild Wars through "legitimate" means, and that your continued denial of this simple truth is just thick-skulled.

Bright Star Shine · Jun 07, 2011, 01:14 AM // 01:14

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Not really. You're talking 105-150k based on your numbers if you're able to clear every 40 minutes without ever failing or spending time setting up groups. Granted, I wasn't aware that all of DoA could be cleared in 35-40 minutes in HM at present. I was under the impression that 35-40 was the NM time and that HM was around an hour.

Get the right team together and you can clear it in <30 minutes without ever failing if you really want, but 35-40 was a healthier average. Even more healthy would be 35-45 since some fail can always be present. Ok, my "lot more than 100k/hour" wasn't well thought through, in fact it wasn't at all.

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Sorry, but you're just wrong. I don't have quite the wealth in the screenshot from earlier (though I'm in the 10,000+ ecto category), but I didn't obsessively focus on building wealth either. I have a lot fewer hours than the truly hardcore, and I spent a large chunk of that time unprofitably playing PvP in the early days.

As I already pointed out, 12 hours a day for a year yielding the returns you're describing in DoASC would yield at least 62,500 ecto at the end of the year. It follows that someone playing a reasonable number hours per week could have that kind of wealth six years after release, and someone obsessive or willing to put in a lot of hours whenever an unusually good money-making method is available could have a lot more, even without having to power trade.

To be clear, I'm not denying the existence of scumbags that have acquired large quantities of wealth by means that many of us would call morally reprehensible. Nor am I denying that some people are wealthy simply because they happened to be holding the right items when the dupe hit, or during the second large wave of high-end item inflation during the Chaos Plains and UWSC period. What I am saying is that it's also possible to acquire huge wealth in Guild Wars through "legitimate" means, and that your continued denial of this simple truth is just thick-skulled.

I'm also not denying that none of you guys ever got rich by just playing the game. I know a guy that had 13,000e+ by legitimately playing the game, he sold most of it on eBay though... But what some people have is just not humanly possible to accumulate, and if it was all legit, hat off to them, if it wasn't. Well actually I don't care for one second if it wasn't, if they got the dupe scheme off and got away with it, all the more to them, it doesn't affect me in the slightest bit and I honestly couldn't care less. I just don't believe that some of those guys got everything legit. Not that I despise or hate them for it, I just don't believe it..

Im in SPAMADAN · Jun 07, 2011, 02:44 AM // 02:44

key to becoming rich

Step 1:
a) Powertrade
b) Get Lucky
c) Spend lots of time

Step 2: PROFITT!!!

Enko · Jun 07, 2011, 04:15 AM // 04:15

I don't think making money is all that hard. The majority of my start up cash was made from just playing through the game, picking up every drop, and selling most of it to the merchant and some of the better mods to other players.

Just came back from a deployment and took a look at Kamadan. I was still able to make about 100k in the first 45 minutes just trading elite tomes back and forth.

Some of the people with obscene amounts of wealth have most likely been playing for a long time or got some lucky drops. If I sold my unded collection, I'd be in the same boat seeing as how I only paid around a total of 1800 ectos for a Mini Kanaxai, Panda, Island Guardian, Shiroken Assassin, Greased Lightning, Zhed, and 400k total for a Grawl, Oni, Naga, and Yeti.

Most of my money comes from trading in low value, high demand items. It just builds up after a while. Currently I think the best drop I've had in game is a req 12 Voltaic Spear out of the Z Chest or a Mini Yakkington from Nick's gifts.

Mcsnake85 · Jun 07, 2011, 07:29 AM // 07:29

Luck,only luck is the factor to make money...thats all.
I have done UWsc,FoWsc and other farm...except for 2 obby edge on last month i NEVER get something cool in the last 3 year.
Mini Dhuum is 200e now, but was around 500e when it come out, so it mean 500e/1h-1h.30min...
Thats the way to make money.
Powertrade come out only when you have something to trade, if you have no money you cant buy something to powertrade so you need something to begin...Dungeons drops help with that,but if you dont drop nothing you cant make money.

melissa b · Jun 07, 2011, 07:38 AM // 07:38

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Originally Posted by Mcsnake85

Luck,only luck is the factor to make money...thats all.

Except for...
DOA SC (Stacks of Armbraces)
Selling Player Services (Players Paying You - varies)
Tournament Reward Points (Stacks of Z-Keys)
Duping (Infinite Armbraces)
Botting (250ectos a day)
Exploits (1000 z-keys an hour)

VikingHaag · Jun 07, 2011, 07:43 AM // 07:43

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Originally Posted by Mcsnake85

Luck,only luck is the factor to make money...thats all.
I have done UWsc,FoWsc and other farm...except for 2 obby edge on last month i NEVER get something cool in the last 3 year.
Mini Dhuum is 200e now, but was around 500e when it come out, so it mean 500e/1h-1h.30min...
Thats the way to make money.
Powertrade come out only when you have something to trade, if you have no money you cant buy something to powertrade so you need something to begin...Dungeons drops help with that,but if you dont drop nothing you cant make money.

Luck helps, but a factor too is having skills.
Seriously is u find it easy to VQ 8 Man areas you can consistently make 200k a day. I made that much till i called some1 to help and got screwed up with the client that now brands me as scammer.

spun ducky · Jun 07, 2011, 08:46 AM // 08:46

I will list the few ways to truly get rich to an insane level as I was able to abuse some of them.

1.Separate game zones. If you had an account on american and one on european servers you could literally trade straight across in international district for almost endless cash.

2.Trader Reset this is one of the big ones I got in one I was at the trader when it happened...

3.105 prot bond UW monk believe it or not you could make a serious amount of money doing this run. Some newer players may think ecto go for 7-7.5k each. Well in this time period ecto went for 20-23k each and they were very easy to farm on multiple accounts at once.

4.DoA gems initially at release. A single armbrace was worth a serious amount of money im talking hundreds of plat.

5. Duping I will not say in any uncertainty that a lot got away with it as I know a few but that is something that will never be fully dealt with in the long run. If you ever followed RMT in guildwars this changed everything.

6. Real cash for serious power trading. I know most will laugh but there are many websites and situations that allow an individual to move wealth between games through real money or virtual currency transfer. If someone is savvy with trading and can take this route into games they enjoy it is possible to hit the game as a high roller.

7.One shot mini's hate it or love it but anet has taken a liking to giving individuals supply driven unreal wealth on the level of winning the lottery.

8. Xunlai house I know plenty such as my self running 20+ accounts per month.

9.While I don't have any ill intent vs this person they are a huge example of this technique to riches. M.B. is what I will call him he made unreal money off of selling rare items of the time to dupers. He did not receive a ban even though he should obviously have known something was not right as in accepting 1750arms for things not worth that...

10.Old school items just from hanging on to ultra rares and also contests. The art contests allowed for people to become insanely rich over night.

I know there are more but I am a bit too tired to list them all. I will edit tomorrow.

Hobbs · Jun 07, 2011, 09:32 AM // 09:32

DoA gems in the early days were a huge money spinner, I casually did the Famine/55 duo of the first room in Foundry and you could pull 200-300k an hour in a time when gold was worth a lot more. Titan gems were 70k+ each at the time. In hindsight I wish i'd done more of that.

I think most people who are inordinately rich probably made the equivalent amount of money a long time ago when it was possible to farm enough ecto to make you a high roller and then successfully played the market for years to ensure their wealth didn't depreciate. In terms of purchasing power I can't imagine they've gotten much richer in a long time.

Urcscumug · Jun 07, 2011, 10:55 AM // 10:55

How about discussing moderate, healthy living for a change.

I think lots of people overlook very simple ways of accumulating gold or holding on to it.

* Making gold out of thin air: id and merch whites; set a merch price threshold and salvaging items that fall under it, then sell the mat stacks.

* Living off the land: salvage and use runes and modes off drops; look up collector items on the wiki -- if the corresponding collector has something nice, keep the items until you have the required amount; use monastery credits, imperial commendations, battle commendations etc. to get kits for free.

* Saving gold: this is the big one, learning that not throwing away money is just as good as making it. Do not id gold items (it's easy to tell which are worthless) and sell them 7 for 5k to Wisdom title hunters; do not open chests in low level areas -- you always come at a loss in terms of key price vs merch price for the item, and the chances of something good dropping are very slim; do not buy and open Traveler gifts, birthday presents, strongboxes, coffers etc. -- sell them to others instead. (Yes, I know how hard it is to beat the temptation; don't make me count up how much I've spent on such suprise items for nothing.) And then there's the silly mistakes, such as crafting myself a max wand just to end up not using it, buying the wrong runes, crafting myself max armor I hated just because "I had to" have max armor right then and there etc. Or the ignorant mistakes, such as not realising that a 750g 20/20 staff is more useful than a 5k max staff with no mods.

By observing these simple rules any player can at the very least maintain their cash somewhere between 50-100k constantly, AFTER kitting their chars in max armor and runes and decent weapons, with the mediocre stuff on the heroes. This cash will allow you to experiment comfortably with skills and secondaries because you can splurge on skills and tomes when you feel like it.

Mcsnake85 · Jun 07, 2011, 11:28 AM // 11:28

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Originally Posted by melissa b

Except for...
DOA SC (Stacks of Armbraces)
Selling Player Services (Players Paying You - varies)
Tournament Reward Points (Stacks of Z-Keys)
Duping (Infinite Armbraces)
Botting (250ectos a day)
Exploits (1000 z-keys an hour)

True,but :
UWsc : 1 Mini Dhumm = 200e+ in 1hour
SoOsc : 1 Bds = 50e+ in 20 min
ecc
Dupping/Bot and exploits are not legit way to make money, im just speaking about legit ways.
Services are slow.
Tournament points, yes..but they are for PvPers only.
DoAsc...yep,but it took Time..Trenchway offer you a speedclear in less than 1 hour,but cause of the tactic you dont kill a lot of mobs so you gain 2+4+6+8 Gems in total, if you start in Veil, then you do gloom,city and for last foundry you get:
2x2k=4k
4x2k=8k
6x3k-3.5k=18k-21k
8x4.5k-5k=36k-40k
Thats is 73k/hour on top.
So dunno...the luck help on DoA too (Chance to get Extra Gems).

Bright Star Shine · Jun 07, 2011, 11:48 AM // 11:48

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Originally Posted by Mcsnake85

True,but :
UWsc : 1 Mini Dhumm = 200e+ in 1hour
SoOsc : 1 Bds = 50e+ in 20 min
ecc
Dupping/Bot and exploits are not legit way to make money, im just speaking about legit ways.
Services are slow.
Tournament points, yes..but they are for PvPers only.
DoAsc...yep,but it took Time..Trenchway offer you a speedclear in less than 1 hour,but cause of the tactic you dont kill a lot of mobs so you gain 2+4+6+8 Gems in total, if you start in Veil, then you do gloom,city and for last foundry you get:
2x2k=4k
4x2k=8k
6x3k-3.5k=18k-21k
8x4.5k-5k=36k-40k
Thats is 73k/hour on top.
So dunno...the luck help on DoA too (Chance to get Extra Gems).

You don't always start in city. The best way to look at it is as follows:

Assume you do 4 starts in 4 areas after each other. Thus getting 20 of each gem. Gemsets being ~12k/ea atm this will yield 240k in 4 runs or 60k/run from gems.On top of that you get 5,4k from quest rewards plus additional drops. A 7/15 or a 8/16 shield can set you up a couple k as well etc etc. So it averages somewhere in between 70-80k/run. Runs taking anywhere between 35-45 minutes averaging around 38 minutes usually that's anywhere between 93-137k/hour.

Raven Wing · Jun 07, 2011, 11:54 AM // 11:54

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How about discussing moderate, healthy living for a change.

It has already been mentioned. I play that way, casual player, doing all the small tricks to gain a little extra. It puts me in the 1k ecto segment, which is richer than 90% of the population but still a long way from the absolute top.

cataphract · Jun 07, 2011, 12:02 PM // 12:02

IMHO, there's no way that a "casual player" will have 1k ecto. Unless he's lucky to the point of hax0ring.

Jun 07, 2011, 09:32 AM // 09:32	#115
Hobbs Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2006 Guild: Organised Spam [OS] Profession: W/	DoA gems in the early days were a huge money spinner, I casually did the Famine/55 duo of the first room in Foundry and you could pull 200-300k an hour in a time when gold was worth a lot more. Titan gems were 70k+ each at the time. In hindsight I wish i'd done more of that. I think most people who are inordinately rich probably made the equivalent amount of money a long time ago when it was possible to farm enough ecto to make you a high roller and then successfully played the market for years to ensure their wealth didn't depreciate. In terms of purchasing power I can't imagine they've gotten much richer in a long time. Last edited by Hobbs; Jun 07, 2011 at 09:36 AM // 09:36..

Jun 07, 2011, 02:44 AM // 02:44	#109
Im in SPAMADAN Desert Nomad Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: 2k09 - golden gvg days Guild: [uMbO] Profession: W/E	key to becoming rich Step 1: a) Powertrade b) Get Lucky c) Spend lots of time Step 2: PROFITT!!!

Jun 07, 2011, 04:15 AM // 04:15	#110
Enko Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: VA Profession: Mo/	I don't think making money is all that hard. The majority of my start up cash was made from just playing through the game, picking up every drop, and selling most of it to the merchant and some of the better mods to other players. Just came back from a deployment and took a look at Kamadan. I was still able to make about 100k in the first 45 minutes just trading elite tomes back and forth. Some of the people with obscene amounts of wealth have most likely been playing for a long time or got some lucky drops. If I sold my unded collection, I'd be in the same boat seeing as how I only paid around a total of 1800 ectos for a Mini Kanaxai, Panda, Island Guardian, Shiroken Assassin, Greased Lightning, Zhed, and 400k total for a Grawl, Oni, Naga, and Yeti. Most of my money comes from trading in low value, high demand items. It just builds up after a while. Currently I think the best drop I've had in game is a req 12 Voltaic Spear out of the Z Chest or a Mini Yakkington from Nick's gifts.

Jun 07, 2011, 07:29 AM // 07:29	#111
Mcsnake85 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Italy Profession: E/P	Luck,only luck is the factor to make money...thats all. I have done UWsc,FoWsc and other farm...except for 2 obby edge on last month i NEVER get something cool in the last 3 year. Mini Dhuum is 200e now, but was around 500e when it come out, so it mean 500e/1h-1h.30min... Thats the way to make money. Powertrade come out only when you have something to trade, if you have no money you cant buy something to powertrade so you need something to begin...Dungeons drops help with that,but if you dont drop nothing you cant make money.

Jun 07, 2011, 08:46 AM // 08:46	#114
spun ducky Jungle Guide Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: WTB: q8 bows Profession: R/N	I will list the few ways to truly get rich to an insane level as I was able to abuse some of them. 1.Separate game zones. If you had an account on american and one on european servers you could literally trade straight across in international district for almost endless cash. 2.Trader Reset this is one of the big ones I got in one I was at the trader when it happened... 3.105 prot bond UW monk believe it or not you could make a serious amount of money doing this run. Some newer players may think ecto go for 7-7.5k each. Well in this time period ecto went for 20-23k each and they were very easy to farm on multiple accounts at once. 4.DoA gems initially at release. A single armbrace was worth a serious amount of money im talking hundreds of plat. 5. Duping I will not say in any uncertainty that a lot got away with it as I know a few but that is something that will never be fully dealt with in the long run. If you ever followed RMT in guildwars this changed everything. 6. Real cash for serious power trading. I know most will laugh but there are many websites and situations that allow an individual to move wealth between games through real money or virtual currency transfer. If someone is savvy with trading and can take this route into games they enjoy it is possible to hit the game as a high roller. 7.One shot mini's hate it or love it but anet has taken a liking to giving individuals supply driven unreal wealth on the level of winning the lottery. 8. Xunlai house I know plenty such as my self running 20+ accounts per month. 9.While I don't have any ill intent vs this person they are a huge example of this technique to riches. M.B. is what I will call him he made unreal money off of selling rare items of the time to dupers. He did not receive a ban even though he should obviously have known something was not right as in accepting 1750arms for things not worth that... 10.Old school items just from hanging on to ultra rares and also contests. The art contests allowed for people to become insanely rich over night. I know there are more but I am a bit too tired to list them all. I will edit tomorrow.

Jun 07, 2011, 10:55 AM // 10:55	#116
Urcscumug Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2011 Guild: UNO Profession: W/	How about discussing moderate, healthy living for a change. I think lots of people overlook very simple ways of accumulating gold or holding on to it. * Making gold out of thin air: id and merch whites; set a merch price threshold and salvaging items that fall under it, then sell the mat stacks. * Living off the land: salvage and use runes and modes off drops; look up collector items on the wiki -- if the corresponding collector has something nice, keep the items until you have the required amount; use monastery credits, imperial commendations, battle commendations etc. to get kits for free. * Saving gold: this is the big one, learning that not throwing away money is just as good as making it. Do not id gold items (it's easy to tell which are worthless) and sell them 7 for 5k to Wisdom title hunters; do not open chests in low level areas -- you always come at a loss in terms of key price vs merch price for the item, and the chances of something good dropping are very slim; do not buy and open Traveler gifts, birthday presents, strongboxes, coffers etc. -- sell them to others instead. (Yes, I know how hard it is to beat the temptation; don't make me count up how much I've spent on such suprise items for nothing.) And then there's the silly mistakes, such as crafting myself a max wand just to end up not using it, buying the wrong runes, crafting myself max armor I hated just because "I had to" have max armor right then and there etc. Or the ignorant mistakes, such as not realising that a 750g 20/20 staff is more useful than a 5k max staff with no mods. By observing these simple rules any player can at the very least maintain their cash somewhere between 50-100k constantly, AFTER kitting their chars in max armor and runes and decent weapons, with the mediocre stuff on the heroes. This cash will allow you to experiment comfortably with skills and secondaries because you can splurge on skills and tomes when you feel like it.

Jun 07, 2011, 12:02 PM // 12:02	#120
cataphract Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ashford Abbey Guild: Hey Mallyx [icU] Profession: Mo/Me	IMHO, there's no way that a "casual player" will have 1k ecto. Unless he's lucky to the point of hax0ring.